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February 25, 2005

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listener jon

Edgar Winter is listed twice. What about his blind brother Johnny Winter? He's hot steppin'!
http://www.guitarscanada.com/legends/Legends_johnny_winter.htm

Listener Los

Leaving out John Travolta, who brought to screen the legendary Hubbard epic Battlefield Earth, seems wrong.

isticon

More famous scientologists
(there's a whole lotta talent here)

Anne Archer, actress
Jennifer Aspen, actress
Jason Beghe, actor
Catherine Bell, actress
Karen Nelson Bell, producer,director & musician
Sonny Bono, (he's with L Ron now)
David Campbell, musician
Kate Ceberano, actress and musician
Erika Christensen, actress
Chick Corea, musician
Tom Cruise, actor
Xavier Deluc, actor
Jenna Elfman, actress
Michael Fairman, actor
Isaac Hayes, musician, actor (voice of chef)
Nicky Hopkins, musician
Mark Isham, musician
Kimberley Kates, actress
Geoffrey Lewis, actor
Juliette Lewis, actress
Peggy Lipton, actress
Courtney Love, musician
Christopher Masterson, actor
Peter Medak, director
Floyd Mutrux, writer, director and producer
Haywood Nelson, actor
Judy Norton, actress and musician
Jeff Pomerantz, actor
David Pomeranz, musician
Kelly Preston, actress
Leah Remini, actress
Giovanni Ribisi, actor
Michael D. Roberts, actor
Mimi Rogers, actress
Michelle Stafford, actress
Sharon Stone, actress
Patrick Swayze, actor
Greta Van Susteren, FOX TV
John Travolta, actor
Patrick Warren, musician
Edgar Winter, musician
Marissa Ribisi, actress
Beck, musician

Krys Olsiewicz

http://www.cultwatch.com/index.html

Rob S.

If nothing else, it looks like it might be a good place to hit on the ladies.

Ron

Has Beck been lying to his fans and the media about his being a Scientologist?

The Secret Life of Beck Hansen.

http://lermanet.beck/

BillW

And not ALL of them are gay, right?

beth

The lists of celebrities who are in Scientology are never absolutely definitive. For instance, Sharon Stone and Patrick Swayze may have taken some courses years ago (as did Brad Pitt, when he was Juliette Lewis's bf), but they haven't been active for a long time. They shouldn't be considered walking automatons for the COS like Cruise and Elfman are.

That piece on Beck has a kind of hysterical tone, but as far as I can tell most of what it says about him is true.

jimmyjay

That's a very short list. I take it Scientology isn't very popular. Let's see the list of celebs that have stepped into the mire of the cult of christianity.

Ron

Scientology isn't very popular since the great internet has taught millions the bizarre fact that Scientology first leads members to believe that they have to remove these things called 'engrams' from their bodies as they try to achieve the desired state called "clear." After dumping LOTS of money, the teachings turn wacko when the victims learn they have the spirits of dead space aliens lurking in their body. You have to keep paying to save yourself from these "body thetan" things that cause you spiritual upset, JUST BECAUSE Scientology taught you this... And now they are the only ones that can help you remove them!!

Jenna Elfman is recruiting for Scientology look here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6908975/

Scientologist Elfman wants to ‘clear the planet’

Jenna Elfman is out to help her fellow Scientologists "clear the planet" of aliens.

“I intend to make Scientology as accessible to as many people as I can. And that is my goal,” Elfman said. To do this, she says, it is my “duty to clear the planet.” By “clearing” she means to rid the world of “body thetans” — aliens who Scientologists believe inhabit the earth from a nuclear explosion 75 million years ago.

L Ron Hubbard was also big into Aleister Crowley. Look at the symbolism and story of Scientology from that aspect:

www.lermanet.com/scientology-and-occult/

You don't see the upper leaders of this so-called church anywhere, but look at the paramilitary dress of this group of upper elites called the "Sea Organization" here:

http://www.xenu.net/archive/so/


"Scientologists believe that most human problems can be traced to lingering spirits of an extraterrestrial people massacred by their ruler, Xenu, over 75 million years ago. These spirits attach themselves by 'clusters' to individuals in the contemporary world, causing spiritual harm and negatively influencing the lives of their hosts."
USDJ, Judge Leonie Brinkema
4 Oct 96 Memorandum Opinion
RTC vs Lerma


ram

don't forget the excellent
JACK PARSONS
google that motherfucker
he taught l.ron everything he knew
beck baby be careful
you're gentle

impboy

Re: Jack Parsons

You're most likely referring to the excellent "Apocalypse Culture" essay that was written on him. I have to say that Jack was just another one of L. Ron's victims, and hardly the man that taught L. Ron how to warp people's realities. Both L. Ron and Jack were OTO at that time, and L. Ron ended up stealing about $20,000 and his girlfriend and hi-tailing it down to FLA after a fun little attempt to give birth to the Antichrist - which drove Crowley NUTS, reportedly.

The concern that people have over Scientology has little to do with what they believe. It's what they do to members once they're involved, what they do to their children and how they turn members into slaves for higher ranking - and richer - OTs like Tom Cruise. Not to mention victims like Lisa Ferguson, and anyone who ended up posting some of the OT courses on alt.religion.scientology.

Scientology may not be the biggest threat our planet faces, but they're bad news all the same, and woe be unto you if you or anyone you love gets involved with them. I'm pretty sure that if Scientologists ran the planet - and that is their goal - it would be nothing short of a global dictatorship. We might as well give it all to Osama Bin Laden and Dick Cheney while we're at it. Anyone who thinks I'm exaggerating should walk into one of their recruitment offices.

Rufus T. Firefly

Beck has started to talk about Scientology programs in the media.
This is where people need to separate the dronish "Scientology
helped them" cliches from the fact of marketing Scientology
programs that have failed. How many Scientology entertainers
have talked about Scientology programs by now?

After recent evaluations in the last few months, California
doesn't think the teachings of the drug program (that Beck and
others support in media articles) are helpful to the public
schools. As a matter of fact, they have asked that they not be
taught.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/02/23/MNGQJBFKV81.DTL
Schools urged to drop antidrug program Scientology-linked teachings
inaccurate, superintendent says


So does the California Medical Association.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/03/27/BAGTRBVGME1.DTL
Doctors back schools dropping flawed antidrug program


This basis for this drug program and other Scientology programs
is simply a Scientology members purification where they have to
detoxify the body from toxins. They used the same idea when
they went into schools in California! And these teachings are VERY
inaccurate.

Same purification they also market at the old Celebrity Center.
http://www.celebritycentre.org/en_US/introservice/books/cbcm.html

Same purification program they market as a prison program
http://www.lermanet.com/scientology-in-government/second-chance.htm

Same purification program being marketed by Tom Cruise in New York for
emergency workers at Ground Zero
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/sources/media/dn131203.htm

Name changes galore for the same thing!

Could this be a predictable sign that Scientology asks entertainers
to be supportive of these programs in the media? Because they may
fool someone else?

Scientology lies, and uses people.

Look at Scientology's contracts that members have to sign
http://www.razormagazine.com/feature1203a.php
A Church's Lethal Contract

Imagine a church so dangerous, you must sign a release form before
you can receive its "spiritual assistance." This assistance might
involve holding you against your will for an indefinite period,
isolating you from friends and family, and denying you access to
appropriate medical care. You will of course be billed for this
treatment - assuming you survive it. If not, the release form absolves
your caretakers of all responsibility for your suffering and death.
Welcome to the Church of Scientology.

Who even needs a living will if you join this outfit?
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Scientology/ReleaseForms/Introspection.html


"Scientologists believe that mosthuman problems can be traced to
lingering spirits of an extraterrestrial people massacred by their
ruler, Xenu, over 75 million years ago. These spirits attach
themselves by "clusters" to individuals in the contemporary
world, causing spiritual harm and negatively influencing the
lives of their hosts. "
USDJ Judge Leonie Brinkema 4 Oct 96 Memorandum Opinion, RTC vs Lerma

the prisoner

Sometimes, Scientology members have to work at low wages for salvation. Scientology earns money on these people very cleverly by avoiding hiring contractors to work at the buildings they buy and own. Or to do things that cost them more to hire anyone else. When Scientology members err according to the policies, Scientology members are hidden away, subjected to sleeping in overcrowded rooms at Scientology facilities. They are treated like mongrels in the name of faith. They are prisoners of Scientology. Members believe they deserve this sadly, as they have so much time invested, and they are so convinced that only Scientology is helping them. They are horrified of anything else but Scientology, and have no place to go without money or real jobs. They are very sadly stuck in this mind control cult. Read about the Rehabilitation Project Force, or the RPF.

http://www.solitarytrees.net/pubs/skent/brain.htm
http://www.lermanet2.com/scientology/gulags/Part1BrainwashinginScientologyProjectForce.htm#2

Jo

ALL those articles are so in depth especially
http://www.solitarytrees.net/pubs/skent/brain.htm and http://www.cultwatch.com/index.html is gold. But looking at it really, don't we just have to wait until L.Ron hubbard dies and then this cult will be over and done with. I mean Elfman or Cruise don't ooze the intelligence that could keep a allegedly cult stable for another 10,20 or 30 years. Unless L.Ron is grooming the next one like the Emporer and Darth Vader?

Orflin G. Champion

The web site listed below is devoted to human beings open to a sober examination and response to the big questions phenomenon (including religion) that has occurred since the inception of the Internet.

Off The Grid Home Page

Mr Hilton

If scientology really wants to help people why do they want all this f**kin money first. also wrongful imprisonment was illegal the last time i checked with or with out ant kind of release signed.

BudMelman

Response to Jo: L Ron Hubbard died 20 years ago, and the organization is stronger than ever (from what I understand).

From what I've read, Scientology is a mean-spirited organization devoid of ethical constraints, focused on its own success and destruction of anyone who disagrees with it. Hubbard's drug-induced ideas about Xenu and Thetans, his attempt to build a military, the cult deaths, billion-year contracts etc, the Snow White operation. It's unbelievable to me that this org is considered a bona fide religion by the US IRS!

This news/info about Beck in Scientology is disappointing and kind of scary. Nobody's really said it, but I wonder if Beck is simply doing what he thinks he needs to do to keep in touch with his family, keep his career on track, and/or stay alive.

I still think his albums are great, but these revelations make me wonder about whether I want to support this. I don't want my money going to support a cult.

Joyce

I think any one involved in this cult is insane, straight up.

Charlaurz McHall

I had no idea that 'Bart Simpson' was a scientologist. that makes me sad! BudMelman, you are right. L.Ron Hubbard died a while ago and its seems that Scientology has become the new fashion accessory, thanks to so many celebrities acting as promotional tools(tool sounds about right) Crazy if you ask me ,though nobody did!
check this out for a giggle:
http://celebrityreligion.typepad.com

Greg Churilov

It's absolutely amazing to me to read the inane, inaccurate, incoherent posts here from people that know NOTHING about Scientology, and the crazy thing is that ALL these folks seem to have an opinion about it.

I've been a Scientologist for 20+ years, and I can tell you that you guys don't know sh!t from shinola about this philosophy.

Get a clue.

Greg
http://www.liveandgrow.org

John Adams

Get a clue? I'm sorry sir but you have been duped by one of the greatest con men in history. How many thousands of dollars have you spent to learn about xenu the galactic overlord? I pity you and hope you one day break away from those suppressive people.

Paul Horner

I like what you wrote about Scientology. I actually just created a Scientology Videos website.

I find Scientology extremely interesting and want to know what is Scientology and everything else I can learn about this
fascinating false religion. I like posting information I learn on my Scientology Blog or my Scientology Message Board.

When learning about this global scam of a "Church", I recommend watching the Bridge Movie. It is the first full length movie about Scientology to ever be released. All the other movies that were in production, like The Profit, are all being held up in the court systems by Scientology's lawyers. Another must see video is the Emmy nominated South Park Scientology episode that explains what Scientologist believe. It's too bad that Scientologists have to spend thousands of dollars before they get to level OT3 and learn about Xenu the Alien Galactic Overlord. Most lower level Scientologists will deny Xenu because the "church" has not taught it to them yet.

This is because they are at a lower level than OT3. In fact in OT8, which is currently the highest level in Scientology, L Ron Hubbard claims there was no Christ. Anyway keep up the great work.

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