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January 06, 2006

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M.R.

It was removed from the exhibit for repair.

Why don't they just replace it with another one?

andrew

Because it's almost impossible to find an exact copy; they stopped making this model years ago.

M.R.

I'm not quite seeing the significance here, sir.

Chrix

I think Duchamp would have appreciated the whole affair quite honestly.

Miguel


It mentions he had previously "attacked" it by urinating in it. Didn't Eno once take a wizz in it at some posh art dinner/function?

S97

Crazed septuagenarian attention-hogs of all lands: unite! There is nothing we cannot accomplish! Let us rise up and critique post-Benjaminian authenticity discourse.

Joel

YESSSS !! Let's destroy all the urinals of the UNIVERSE !!

andrew

Well, the idea of the readymade is that an artist doesn't need to create something--he can just select an already existing thing that meets his criteria for a valid sculpture. Duchamp didn't just pull stuff off the rack and exhibit it, he chose carefully and there was a mild scandal a few years ago when some conservators found that he'd actually made some modifications to a few of the readymades before exhibiting them. A lot of people thought he just used the objects as is and developed elaborate theories on that basis, so they were pissed.

I find this all pretty hilarious, but if you're interested, there's an astonishingly comprehensive article exhaustively reasearching every conceivable aspect of Duchamp's Fountain:
http://www.toutfait.com/issues/issue_3/Multimedia/Shearer/Shearer07.html

Yan

"Because it's almost impossible to find an exact copy"

Sweet Jesus, it IS a copy. That's the damn point, isn't it? It's a copy, first of all, since it's not the original object from the first notorious show. And, secondly, because there's like seven of the new (60's era) edition.

I sympathize with those annoyed by the destruction of these works though they are (and are, intended to be) essentially "fakes" or "copies"--thus not art-"works" at all. They have historical, not artistic, value. But I think Chrix is right--Duchamp would probably be amused. It is certainly in the spirit of the original--though the urinating stunt is more aesthetically perfect.

Joel

Result: he has to pay 214,000 euros (about 263,000 $) plus 3 months of prison with respite.

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