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September 29, 2006

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Brent

You know, this was a really good post until the trite and derivative second-to-last paragraph. How disappointing.

JV

Yeah, no shit. It was interesting and seemingly journalistic until the end. Is this a joke post or something?

jtm

I disagree, great post all the way around! Second to last paragraph is on the money, honey. Thank you Mark.

Hatch

Brilliant post, Mark.

Brent and JV, even visible mainstream conservatives like George Allen, Lou Dobbs and Washington Times managing editor Francis Coombs have documented ties to extremist hate groups, why do you find anything about that paragraph hard to swallow?

K.

Agreed, good and thought provoking post. Why beef about the second to last para, it's the last one that's weak. I don't think Lenny pandered to his audience. Anne however makes a living of it. Apples and oranges. Otherwise, an excellent read.

Elliot Harmon

I don't think any of the things you listed are really the Christian underground. They're the B-Team, like Animal Liberation Front is the B-Team for PETA. Officially unrelated, but hopelessly connected.

The true underground is writers like Jim Wallis or Rick Moody, or shunned Christian rock bands like Five Iron Frenzy and Danielson. People using their faith to rattle the political and economic structures that rely on their faith.

sylvester

I think you forgot to demonize Rush Limbaugh and George Bush in that second to last paragraph.

Lee Hartsfeld

"It's" and "its" are two different words. "Who's" and "whose," ditto.

In addition, the majority of Christians are not on the far right, and I'm tired of the endless idiocy from this blog in that regard.


Lee

Scott

Lee, the majority of Christians -with political power- are absolutely on the far right, this isn't news. These are the people who say things like "I don't care what you do in the bedroom, just don't advertise it". Well now -- I don't care who you pray to, blah blah blah... The ones without power are of course a varied bunch, and probably our very own good friends - they are not dangerous and therefore not subject to "endless idiocy from this blog".

Mark's post is even-handed and fair (and great), I think you're being a little defensive. What's with the grammatical gripe of your opening salvo? Um, you got us bud. Not Worth Discussion.

DanO

yeah, those christians are just horrible. the way they push forward all their right wing views without any foundation in reason. their inability to seperate their personal faith from their public persona is revolting.
we've all had enough of

James Brown.

Howard Finster

Johnny Cash

Rick Griffin

Alice Cooper

god the proselytizing never ends right?


i don't think you stopped to think about people's faith before you wrote that post and i don't think you did any objective consideration to who christians really are in our nation.
your post is a well worded foul ball.

Lukas

Mike Warnke, yeah! Self-proclaimed former Satanic High Priest and author of the classic album "A Christian perspective on Halloween". It is a mix of lame comedy and hilarious "serious" bits. Christians are much funnier when they are serious. Yes, indeed. And I'll post the whole damn album on this blog to prove my point!

Lukas

Even better, some other blog posted it a while ago: Mike Warnke: A Christian Perspective on Halloween. And of course he was a notorious liar who made up all of the stories about his Satanic past. If you have lots of time, read the interesting article Selling Satan: The Tragic History of Mike Warnke in Cornerstone Magazine.

His comedy is really lame, and I have a hard time believing that there is any good Christian comedy, i.e. comedy with a Christian message. (Of course there are many good Christian comedians, even though all the best ones were/are Jews...)

North by Northwest West Orange

I saw some of these Xian dudes/dudettes on the tube awhile ago and they were MOST amusing.

BTW: Just a thought for the NEW MESSAGE BOARD.....how about a Yahoo Groups board.

You can make it an "Official" board for much less than the old one was priced at,
you can make EACH member's posting options different, i.e. A. Free to post, B. Moderated posts, C. Can not post,
and the groups have room for photos, sound files and more.

Heck, Ken, you could try it for FREE to see how it works.

Click the url link I entered to see a cool group that works very well, indeed.

bartelby

I think the real joke is that there is a Xtian rock band with a song titled "Lazy Brain."
From the people that gave us one book with all life's answers and then followed it up with the American variant of anti-intellectualism this is perhaps proof that god has a sense of humor.

Lazy Dog parody called "Lazy God"

Since you brought-up the "L" word, click the link.

Lee Hartsfeld

Thanks, DanO. Exactly. And we can add Bill Clinton, Martin Luther King, Jimmy Carter, Albert Schweitzer, and Dietrich Bonhoeffer to that list.

Bonhoeffer, you'll recall, wrote that "the church is the church only when it exists for others." Such shocking intolerance. How he could have helped inspire the civil rights movement is a mystery.

Two of these Christians are still with us--maybe BOTB can talk some sense into them.

Lee

The Contrarian

Mark, I enjoyed your piece immensely. While I may not agree with its politics, the Christian right's entertainment offerings and other behaviors may represent the last remaining genuine counterculture in America.

But how can you mention Christian comedy and music without giving props to a WFMU favorite of 2005, The Knights of the New Crusade?

FTM

You know, I'm not sure how to put this, but that second to last paragraph, that hurts.

It hurts for me, a Christian, to be defined by you as being somehow aligned with people who are clearly hatemongers. I wish you would try to be a little more open minded in this regard. All I can do is ask you to understand that we, Christians, are NOT that. Nor do we consider those people Christians.

Don K.

Gee I may be naive here, but I thought this was an essay on edgy Christian comedians and their their darker comedic musings. I didn't think religion came in to it at all. I may be reading it wrong.

Kapitano

An extremist christian is one who's read a few scattered lines of the bible, taken them literally, and put them into practice. A moderate christian is one who's skimmed the more interesting books, and applied the more sensible parts where they fit. An atheist is one who's found they don't need the bible's sensible bits to behave decently. That's why moderate christian comedy and secular comedy tend to have similar messages.

The clean/dirty distinction is a red herring.

Vivian

Interesting comments, some noteworthy, but best summed up by the one who said it is a well worded foul ball & it's true, the best comedians are the Jews BUT.......I notice the contempt for the anti- abortionists, in reality, pro-lifers always comes from someone who grew up & was never aborted. Why don't you people think before you speak? Today anyone under 30 is a survivor as a huge fraction of their generation has never had the chance to see the light of day due to abortion. Some of you who have can thank the fanatical 'anti- abortionists' for your existance.

ED COOK

Dear friends,
There are dangerous distractions dividing christians and drawing them away from unifying and combining their voting power during a critical election year. Congregations are reporting devisions over 911 conspiracies and other popular contentions which frequently turn into disputes regarding the Iraq war and 911 within the house of prayer. I am writing to you because I have long forseen such negative trends growing within many believers becoming highly divisive and very dangerous.

There have been several honest investigations recently which have exposed 911 conspiracies as dangerous and miss-leading propaganda harmful to our country. Believability in such fabrications has a bewitching affect upon the minds of many christians as well as upon the minds of non christians. Such propaganda fuels a growing lack of trust for our American institutions and can turn believers against their own country or against their own ministers who refuse to support the conspiratorial spin. The negative affects I am warning about have much to do with the fact that many christians are currently being distracted away from an extremely important presidential election where leftists are contending to gain positions of power which could potentually turn our nation into an anti christian socialistic state.

Modern Leftists despise christians and are currently waging a political and media war against us. These people work tirelessly to silence the voices of faith in order to undermine christian influence and set up their left leaning Babylon. As christians are decieved into contending against Bush, Iraq, and confusion over 911 conspiracies they unknowingly assist true enemies by helping them ride easily into power without resistance. I was inspired with new understanding and seek to reveal an important message recorded in the Bible concerning 911 and the Iraq war.

Before you are tempted to write me off as another false teacher warned about in scripture, please check out my publication now marketed by a large christian organization called Salem. Please take a few minutes and witness the online video demonstrating a biblical message about 911 and the Iraq war in prophecy. I want you to see 911 evidence recorded in your Bible.

I want you to witness 911 scriptures which connect modern Iraq with "eagle's wings" (America's symbol of freedom) I am holding myself personally accountable if my readers fail to discover exactly what I am promising them concerning Iraq or 911.
You have both my e-mail and my phone number to do just that!
208-251-3519 www.eternaltruth.net
Any wise man tests before he talks". I appeal to your faith in the Bible knowing God has long known of our crisis today and inspired ancient prophets to record spiritual solutions for these very problems. Please go to eternaltruth.net/bpo911.html Paul Gregersen phone 208-251-3519


Bet Patterson

This guy actually is understating the power of this Bible discovery! You must see that youtube on his sight if its the last thing you do!
Our husbands in Iraq and our wounded vets need
to hear about this new Bible discovery.
Suppose it could be documented that this Bible
prophecy was verified to have been fulfilled in our
day predicting the war in Iraq?
Thousands of people are entering this web sight...
www.eternaltruth.net
Critics have sought to rip this biblical discovery a
part in order to disprove it.
Such attempts continue to fail as ambitious Bible
critics seek to expose it as another hoax.
Critics eventually fade as the people who see
value in this fulfilled prophecy are moved to
inform others of this possible miracle arriving in
our day!

Could God have revealed an actual Bible prophecy
supporting America going into Iraq? Everyone is
invited to prove or disprove this newly discovered
prophecy.
If you can demonstrate a way to disprove this claim
you may become a guest on Glenn Becks show or
Shaun Hannity. If you can bring a case forward
which supports this prophecy as being true you
may also become a guest.

This Bible discovery was mentioned on the Rush
Limbaugh show as millions heard of this web sight.
If you can find any evidence disputing this claim
or any evidence confirming it true, please contact
Shaun at...

"Media track" dogtrack88hotmail.com

Or contact Glenn Beck and make your case

to him on line. glennbeck.com You may contact

Rush Limbaugh if possible?

For additional information

concerning this matter contact

Ed Cook at ecdistibutions or
or 208 251 3519

You could receive national recognition for worthy evidence
if your information is convincing. Why?
If no one can dispute this biblical claim this discovery
can be submitted in the media as an actual fulfillment of
biblical prophecy. If not, you may be the one exposing as
a hoax.
The new President of the united states may be determined
by the condition of our economy and the war in Iraq.
What could a Bible prophecy depicting America as
the biblical eagle bringing freedom to Iraq have upon
this presidential election?
Could it perhaps reveal the presidential election from a new
spiritual perspective?
This biblical prophecy could unite our American resolve
for supporting the Iraq war and help our troops.

A subsidiary of Salem communications has already
declared this work to be a monumental discovery of
"biblical proportions" in their recent national press release.
To confirm this national press release go to the Salem
Xulon press release at- www.eternaltruth.net or enter
their Salem web sight.

There has been no theological criticism having any
teeth which has demonstrated convincing red flags
which cast doubt upon this claim. The Bible can be spun
by people who often take things out of proper context.
Today modern writers cleverly manufacture their own
evidences from the Bible and years later we then discover
such insights were false.
This means that the specific criteria for documenting
a fulfilled Bible prophecy is even more difficult to accomplish
than many secular discoveries which also require high
standards from sound research.

We need a consensus from several credible Christians
who can collaberate a consistency of legitamate insights
which identify key prophetic types and shadows clearly
identifying the cyclic nature of true prophecy within
Bible history.
Such an insight for understanding true Bible prophecy
should not require a degree in theology. We welcome
either.

We welcome the critics who aspire to prove this wrong.
No credable evidence has been presented showing
any confirmed manipulation of the biblical text nor its
context.

Watch the you tube video as it takes you through
specific Bible scriptures which reveal the
great modern eagle (America)l transforming Iraq
into a free nation in the end times..

Locate now..
"Bible prophecies of 9-11
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sincerely,
Bet Patterson
ecdistribution
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Rick

Please respect my Lord and Savior and remove such a disgraceful picture of laughing at Jesus from the internet.

Chuck

Where's the "laughing at Jesus"? All I see is a piece on the history of the Christian comedy sub-genre...if anything should be removed, it's the 3rd and 2nd-to-last comments, which are nothing more than glorified classified ads for conspiracy theorists.

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