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January 10, 2007

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Comments

pants

I love it how Iraqis who fight the occupation are always called "terrorists."

I appreciate this guy's candor, but we shouldn't fucking be there and I certainly wouldn't nark on my paisanos if, say, the Soviets and Cubans invaded Colorado.

WOLVERINES!

bartelby

What constitutes noise as differentiated from what constitutes music is culturally determmined. What would you call coercion through noise trauma?

Bill V

Any chance of posting the album? It was one of my faves!!

Richard

I don't know about you, but I'm really glad this soldier is on our side. We need more like him (though I'm pretty sure we've got plenty already).

Steve PMX

I just read somewhere that they used Throbbing Gristle as part of some interrogation tactic in Guantanamo Bay. Sounds like bullshit but I can see how it could actually work.

Rix

More evidence that a "surge" is hopeless.

Kenzo (lastever.org / kenzodb.com)

"I don't know about you, but I'm really glad this soldier is on our side. We need more like him (though I'm pretty sure we've got plenty already)."

Yeah, we need more people like him who can be in a country they invaded, and decide that those people with weapons who live in that country are the "bad guys," but somehow he and his invading colleagues are "good guys."

Yes, the world (err, I mean, "our side") needs more rationalizers with huge guns.

Brian Turner

I saw the Happy Flowers play in Texas this past year, I thought it was really enjoyable.

jummy

the most nuanced of us see everyone with dark skin within the borders of iraq as one people in noble resistance of the occupation. nuance. complexity. you see, the occupation is completely wrong, and its opponents are completely right. any details finer than that are "propaganda".

you can see a lot of these examples of "nuance" from the complex thinkers. for instance, if one tries to establish a dialogue about radical arab/islamic nationalist terrorists, they accuse you of attacking all muslims in a racist fashion. in other words, the nuanced, complex minds of the progressive social justice movement regard all muslims as terrorists and all terrorists as muslims. you can either be on the wrong side of the issue by opposing radical nationalism or the right side by raising a fist in solidarity.

you see, when they demand "complexity" or "nuance" of an audience, they don't in fact want "complexity" or "nuance". they want the audience to quickly and cursorily traverse the complex path required to morally reverse themselves on an issue so large, so as to bring themselves in line with whatever bianary trope is fashionably "complex". "nuanced".

Foamer

Did you guys miss the part about "the bomb in the road"?

You know... the ones that tend to indiscriminately kill anyone nearby, American, Iraqi or (in honor of David Wu) Klingon?

Patrick S Lasswell

Hey Mom, I said I wanna go Jihad!
Hey Mom, I said I wanna cut faces off!

jummy, don't make me get Jeff Golstein in here to mop up the floor with your "semiotics."

At certain extremes of behavior, nuance loses significance. You are trying to reconcile the actions of people who engage in the most savage brutality available to them with people who follow constraints so overwhelmingly that their most questionable coercion is their choice of music. The soldier is slightly down the block and the jihadi's blowing up schools are on another planet. You are attempting to reconcile the difference with a micrometer, and the only way you do that is by ignoring vast differences as a precondition of discussion. At many points of this conflict the differences are so extreme as to justify binary thinking.

listener mark

quite naturally, there's going to be some use of Judgement
by individuals in an occupation situation.
I don't blame the G.I.'s for most of what goes on over there.
obviously the USA should not be in Iraq.

so where are the happy FLowers MP3's?

Bobby Bunny

Can I suggest using BunnyBrains songs as torture methods? It worked on our audiences.

whalleywhat

What I'd really like to know is what Happy Flowers members think of this. What a musical legacy. They could put it in the press kit.

FireEye

Those of you who think these "insurgants" are the Iraqi people fighting off "Invaders" are fucking clueless! I did three tours over there and I can tell you that I was NEVER in a firefight with Iraqi's! These insurgants come from all over the Middle East, head to Iraq so they can kill an Infidel - it has NOTHING to do with "occupation".


We are not over there trying to convert them or make Iraq into another US State - we are trying to give these people a chance to live as free people, not under some brutal dictator that kills on whim. Most Iraqi's support us being over there, despite what you clowns "see on tv".

There is a whole REAL World out there beyond your video screens & TV - why don't you all get out and experience it for yourself instead of making your minds up from what you see on TV!

TJ Welch

I can think of no band more appropriate to use in an interrogation than The Happy Flowers. They were even worse than the legendary Shaggs. Horrible. Hooray to the soldier who used them for that purpose. Regarding foks who argue that US is evil and radical extremist muslims are good guys ..... Im sure that there were plenty of good people among the Nazis 60 years ago. Not all Nazis were bad people. It was the facist ideology that was severely flawed. The Al Queda terrorists and Iranian backed resistance in Iraq are part of a global Radical Islam facism that is no different than Nazi Germany in it's goals. Don't be so naive. Take off your turban and see the light traitor..

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